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I am at least 80% through this particular phase on working on the Kane photos. I started with ~680, removed duplicates to get it to 510 and my current export folder is currently 200 images. I think I am going to wind up with a final pool of about 230 images to pick my top ten from.
Then I need to deal with the red eye problem. I am still not sure how to tackle that. I am going to pull all the pictures that need red eye adjustments and ... try a few things I guess. Why is this so hard?
I was stuck for a while on one photo in my set because it looks cute ... if you don't know the context. CK had leaned forward to do the whole 'high five a bunch of the people in the audience thing' and this lady grabbed his hand with both of hers and would not let go. It looks like a cute fan interaction, but literally the only reason he was in that pose and still enough for me to get that shot was that he couldn't move.
The lady in the photo, with her bright red painted nails, is the same lady I saw get removed from a Leverage fan event for refusing to let go of CK.
Now, random aside about noticing stuff like this:
I used to do a lot of work at volunteer run cons and fan events. I was the person who could remove people if needed. I literally got calls to help at events I wasn't even at because my fat short ass could easily remove even tall, arrogant wanna-be influencers solo just using my words and attitude*. I have quite a few stories. So, I also tend to notice things at events that others don't.
The one time I went to a Supernatural convention, someone tried to rush the stage during Jensen's panel. The security handled it so smoothly! I was impressed. After the panel I mentioned it to my seatmate
Me: Wasn't that slick? How the security guards re-directed her and removed her?
Her: What security guards?
Me: Oh, 2 of the 4 who guarded the panel. It was the guys in the back, ones up front didn't even move.
Her: There were security guards?
I then said to another fan nearby, 'hey she didn't even realize there were security guards' and the other fan also had no idea there has been security. Me I was just like 'the burly guys in suits, radios and boots? None of y'all even noticed?'
At that moment I felt like Eliot Spencer 'yeah the obvious security guards were security guards and there were two security incidents during the panel!'
They had all been too focused on Jensen to notice anything. And fair, I just notice and pick up on things others don't. I'd seen red nails lady be removed from an event before and my brain had filed away her face, so I recognized her at the concert. Poor CK was struggled to get free of her grasp. I mean, it was maybe only 30 seconds, but still, gross.
I was trying to find a way to salvage the picture, so I was stalled out on that edit. But then I realized, no, picture goes in trash. The image is not cute, I only have it because someone was being gross.
Anyway, sorting all these pics is weirdly emotional because it's reminding me of a lot of things. As I said, someone deleted my originals and I am missing every image from at least two shows**. Some of the show goers were terrible and pushy. After Jensen showed that one time Kane fans got overrun with SPN fans who didn't care about Leverage, CK or Kane's music. When it was clear Jensen wasn't going to magically appear they'd get bored and try to talk over the music. I saw the bartender telling some of them off once.
It's weird because I loved the shows and it really looked and felt like a space that would be happy for me. Being at a bar listening to that sort of music made me feel happy but ... how to put this? CK fandom looked like a place that should have been my natural environment and a good place to make connections, but my experiences were not good. So I have this mixed emotional reaction of adoring him, his music being comforting to me, everything looking like a place I should belong and also all that strong emotions I had at the time ... but the fans I interacted with were all viciously competitive. Maybe that's just part of being in fandom for a real person as opposed to an abstract concept like a fictional character?
Anyway, I am going to finish this phase of working on the photos today if it kills me.
* Oh, and if anyone wants to see a good talk on event security and removing people without escalating problems, this talk is a good starting place : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVTcifBspRc
** Not only do I remember shooting this show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By1wWKC69WY but I can literally see my camera getting in the way of the camcorder shots at times. It was a great show, but I cannot find a single one of my pictures.
Then I need to deal with the red eye problem. I am still not sure how to tackle that. I am going to pull all the pictures that need red eye adjustments and ... try a few things I guess. Why is this so hard?
I was stuck for a while on one photo in my set because it looks cute ... if you don't know the context. CK had leaned forward to do the whole 'high five a bunch of the people in the audience thing' and this lady grabbed his hand with both of hers and would not let go. It looks like a cute fan interaction, but literally the only reason he was in that pose and still enough for me to get that shot was that he couldn't move.
The lady in the photo, with her bright red painted nails, is the same lady I saw get removed from a Leverage fan event for refusing to let go of CK.
Now, random aside about noticing stuff like this:
I used to do a lot of work at volunteer run cons and fan events. I was the person who could remove people if needed. I literally got calls to help at events I wasn't even at because my fat short ass could easily remove even tall, arrogant wanna-be influencers solo just using my words and attitude*. I have quite a few stories. So, I also tend to notice things at events that others don't.
The one time I went to a Supernatural convention, someone tried to rush the stage during Jensen's panel. The security handled it so smoothly! I was impressed. After the panel I mentioned it to my seatmate
Me: Wasn't that slick? How the security guards re-directed her and removed her?
Her: What security guards?
Me: Oh, 2 of the 4 who guarded the panel. It was the guys in the back, ones up front didn't even move.
Her: There were security guards?
I then said to another fan nearby, 'hey she didn't even realize there were security guards' and the other fan also had no idea there has been security. Me I was just like 'the burly guys in suits, radios and boots? None of y'all even noticed?'
At that moment I felt like Eliot Spencer 'yeah the obvious security guards were security guards and there were two security incidents during the panel!'
They had all been too focused on Jensen to notice anything. And fair, I just notice and pick up on things others don't. I'd seen red nails lady be removed from an event before and my brain had filed away her face, so I recognized her at the concert. Poor CK was struggled to get free of her grasp. I mean, it was maybe only 30 seconds, but still, gross.
I was trying to find a way to salvage the picture, so I was stalled out on that edit. But then I realized, no, picture goes in trash. The image is not cute, I only have it because someone was being gross.
Anyway, sorting all these pics is weirdly emotional because it's reminding me of a lot of things. As I said, someone deleted my originals and I am missing every image from at least two shows**. Some of the show goers were terrible and pushy. After Jensen showed that one time Kane fans got overrun with SPN fans who didn't care about Leverage, CK or Kane's music. When it was clear Jensen wasn't going to magically appear they'd get bored and try to talk over the music. I saw the bartender telling some of them off once.
It's weird because I loved the shows and it really looked and felt like a space that would be happy for me. Being at a bar listening to that sort of music made me feel happy but ... how to put this? CK fandom looked like a place that should have been my natural environment and a good place to make connections, but my experiences were not good. So I have this mixed emotional reaction of adoring him, his music being comforting to me, everything looking like a place I should belong and also all that strong emotions I had at the time ... but the fans I interacted with were all viciously competitive. Maybe that's just part of being in fandom for a real person as opposed to an abstract concept like a fictional character?
Anyway, I am going to finish this phase of working on the photos today if it kills me.
* Oh, and if anyone wants to see a good talk on event security and removing people without escalating problems, this talk is a good starting place : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVTcifBspRc
** Not only do I remember shooting this show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By1wWKC69WY but I can literally see my camera getting in the way of the camcorder shots at times. It was a great show, but I cannot find a single one of my pictures.
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Date: 2021-04-07 04:12 am (UTC)From:I wish that fandom was always as welcoming a place as it feels like it should be. (Frustrating, that the CK stuff was crashed by people who weren't even fans, and also couldn't at the least be respectful about it.) People more interested in competing for *something* in fandom, instead of supportive or just mutually enjoying things is also frustrating, and was unfortunately my experience with a lot of people I met in rl fandom spaces.
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Date: 2021-04-07 04:56 am (UTC)From:In gaming terms, I am trying to make friends on a PVP server. It really hasn't gone well for me. I also had some people latch onto me when I worked for Random Act and yeah, that really didn't go well for me. Fandom is awesome in a lot of ways, but like ... CK fandom just looked so much a place that would have been good for me and it just was not.
This was also not long after the Death From Above incident. I feel like at least some behaviors in actor fandom has changed but I don't really know. Maybe the young fandoms are just as bad.
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Date: 2021-04-08 02:35 am (UTC)From:I feel like it's definitely a very specific feeling of... mourning for what could have/should have been, but wasn't. I've felt it with certain friend groups, or fandoms, or clubs.
I'm not sure I know the "Death From Above" incident... It's probably something I'll remember, but I can't place what that was.
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Date: 2021-04-08 06:56 am (UTC)From:Don't get me wrong, if I had a chance to chat with CK for 15 minutes I'd be amazingly happy, but I have no desire to like grab him or swoon over him. The idea of being yet another overwrought or inappropriate fan, just no.
Death from Above was ... okay the real details are lost to time but Jensen did one con that wasn't a Creation Con very early on and someone glomped him from above using a stairwell. Annnnnd from then on the Js only did very expensive, controlled Creation Cons. I've heard from people who were there that yes, it was a flying glomp from above. But a lot of people have been trying to say it never happened it was overblown. And, well, I've personally dealt with worse than flying glomps doing guest liaising.
Yeah, right now I have a bit of being sad over how things could have been. Other sections of the fandom might've been exactly what I was wanting. Like other people had a good time and made good connections in fandom and had wacky road trips and that just wasn't my life.
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Date: 2021-04-09 03:58 am (UTC)From:Hoo boy, I have zero problem believing that happened. I've seen similar behavior attempted at cons, and with someone with SUCH an obsessive fanclub as either of the Js... oh yeah, that's beyond plausible. Yikes.