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8chan still has hosting, but without Cloudflare and other services they can't stay online. Kiwifarms is also offline because some of the services that are part of the hidden structure of the web have decided to kick them as well.
This is all great. But we are relying on a few private, rich individuals CEOs to decide what gets to be reachable online. It's not a matter of hosting, it's about DDOS protection and local asset hosting and other stuff that I am quite frankly not as up on as I should be.
Matthew Prince isn't sure he's made the right call and has said some great things on the subject about kicking 8chan. I have no problem with him and appreciate that he sees this weird situation where he has so much power as a problem.
If you remember Strikethrough on LJ, it happened after a bunch of DDOS attacks in a pre-Cloudflare era took the site offline over objections to Queer content. The rallying cry was 'omg child porn', but if you knew where to look on 4chan where the attacks were organized they were after women reading m/m stories. It was all about policing the hobbies of young women. Those attacks drew attention to the 'issue' and then one day we woke up to Strikethough. [Edit - Or it may have been primarily that one Tumblr group, the 4chan side was the side I saw. Channers being bastards was at least one piece of the puzzle.]
Most people still don't have a good grasp on things like Gamergate or Comet Ping Pong and were they came from. I only get the Comet Ping Pong thing because that same 4chan game of applying chan code to every day speech and draw batshit conclusions used to be done with the director reports of the anime con I worked for back in like 2009. Words like pizza, cake and pool never were mentioned in my reports. If you don't know the back story of this stuff, a lot of people assume 'where there is smoke there is fire'. The bastards are counting on people reacting this way when they make stuff up out of whole cloth.
Uh, anyway even though I know some things I am honestly out of my depth on some of this stuff. Here is a tweet thread by someone who knows what she's talking about.
tl:dr - I fully support kicking both those sites to the curb, but right now we are relying on aging 1%ers to have a clue about the internet to get this shiz done and that is not great. Also 8chan BS is useful to Russia for I'd bet they are going to start finding ways to get the back online.
This is all great. But we are relying on a few private, rich individuals CEOs to decide what gets to be reachable online. It's not a matter of hosting, it's about DDOS protection and local asset hosting and other stuff that I am quite frankly not as up on as I should be.
Matthew Prince isn't sure he's made the right call and has said some great things on the subject about kicking 8chan. I have no problem with him and appreciate that he sees this weird situation where he has so much power as a problem.
If you remember Strikethrough on LJ, it happened after a bunch of DDOS attacks in a pre-Cloudflare era took the site offline over objections to Queer content. The rallying cry was 'omg child porn', but if you knew where to look on 4chan where the attacks were organized they were after women reading m/m stories. It was all about policing the hobbies of young women. Those attacks drew attention to the 'issue' and then one day we woke up to Strikethough. [Edit - Or it may have been primarily that one Tumblr group, the 4chan side was the side I saw. Channers being bastards was at least one piece of the puzzle.]
Most people still don't have a good grasp on things like Gamergate or Comet Ping Pong and were they came from. I only get the Comet Ping Pong thing because that same 4chan game of applying chan code to every day speech and draw batshit conclusions used to be done with the director reports of the anime con I worked for back in like 2009. Words like pizza, cake and pool never were mentioned in my reports. If you don't know the back story of this stuff, a lot of people assume 'where there is smoke there is fire'. The bastards are counting on people reacting this way when they make stuff up out of whole cloth.
Uh, anyway even though I know some things I am honestly out of my depth on some of this stuff. Here is a tweet thread by someone who knows what she's talking about.
tl:dr - I fully support kicking both those sites to the curb, but right now we are relying on aging 1%ers to have a clue about the internet to get this shiz done and that is not great. Also 8chan BS is useful to Russia for I'd bet they are going to start finding ways to get the back online.
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