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I am considering doing the current Snowflake challenge of shouting into the void, but if I did it would be about the effect of WoW players on Guild Wars 2 and there are a lot of things that need to be carefully stated. Most people fleeing WoW are awesome, but even some of the awesome ones bring with them a thinking that causes problems in GW2 communities. Basically, they are incentivized by Blizzard to respond to content being too difficult by being loud on social media... and that has caused more drama and problems in the past year than the game has seen in it's lifetime and there were online hate mobs after a content creator. For a game where to date the biggest drama had been 'an employee didn't understand the difference between a personal and a professional social media account', having creators harassed and devs' actually personal hidden social media used to contact the studio because 'they weren't being heard' was a bit of a system shock.
GW2 is a fundamentally different game. In WoW, they can only sell you the new raids if you have cleared the last ones, so they have to nerf until about 90% of the community can clear or they can't keep making money. In GW2 content is evergreen. Incoming players from WoW have memed for a decade that GW2 is so easy that GW2 vets are basically toddlers playing pretend that they are real gamers... then they actually play the game and sometimes get curb stomped by open world content. Then their egos and their decade long investment in the idea that GW2 players suck comes crashing together and then Bad Things.
Some, obviously, take it well. Nothing is funnier to me than when WoW players try GW2 and are all 'holy fuck I was wroooong! the memes... they were lies... help!' and are good natured about it.
But a key thing that has happened in the past two years is that the die hards who hate all other games have finally started to move and move their guilds. And the reason why is rough, and is often talked around instead of talked about. They didn't leave because of China or Hong Kong or Blizzard fighting unionization or anything that lead to actual protests outside the company or dev walkouts. At the end of the day, that's just capitalism and can be rationalized away. No, the deep cracks are because of the
a female dev committing suicide after her nudes were passed around the office.
And you can't 'well companies gotta do what companies gotta do' or 'well the parent company made them' to rationalize that. So, in the past two years we've gotten the players who Do Not Want to change or let go of memes or attitudes. They want GW2 to be a weak WoW clone and for their way of doing things to work, and it just doesn't.
Listen, if something like that had happened at Arenanet I'd be fucking devastated. I've avoided talking about it because I doubt anyone who has an emotional investment in WoW wants to hear from people who play other MMOs. I don't want to say anything to upset people having a hard time with this, but some of the Set In Their Ways people from WoW have basically been throwing extended tantrums and taking giant dumps over other gaming communities and I am really sick of it. I am also sick of people going 'wow guild wars 2 community is actually toxic' It's not us who fucking chased Sneb off of the internet. We can check the accounts of the people who lead the charge and started literally slandering him because he tried to help. But the whiny little WoW refugee shitlords didn't want help, they wanted the game to pat them on the head and call them a good gamer way too powerful for tiny GW2.
And since I am shouting, please don't make any comments about difficulty in gaming unless you actually know what you are talking about. GW2 has easy mode raids. They don't want that. They want to rolfstomp challenge mode while drunk and feel validated that WoW players >>>>>> everyone else. Also, their biggest tantrums? Over fucking open world content! Literally all you need to do is join a Hardstuck (or LaLa or Skein Gang or like a bunch of others. Like Frog, MFing Frog y'all, just follow a Frog meta train and get everything with boosts to luck as a side dish. They teach the encounters and put down guild-made luck items that means everyone gets moar loots) run with them if you are having problems. But established GW2 guilds have the cooties I guess and they wouldn't do that.
Also I love GW2, it's community and certain actual devs. But I don't love Arenanet. They are a company with a parent company. I don't make loving a company or a brand my personality. I love the content, the people who made it, the people who make fan content, the people who basically host moderated chat for GW2 fans by having twitch streams... but there is a difference between that and loyalty to a brand or a company. learn the MFing difference people
GW2 is a fundamentally different game. In WoW, they can only sell you the new raids if you have cleared the last ones, so they have to nerf until about 90% of the community can clear or they can't keep making money. In GW2 content is evergreen. Incoming players from WoW have memed for a decade that GW2 is so easy that GW2 vets are basically toddlers playing pretend that they are real gamers... then they actually play the game and sometimes get curb stomped by open world content. Then their egos and their decade long investment in the idea that GW2 players suck comes crashing together and then Bad Things.
Some, obviously, take it well. Nothing is funnier to me than when WoW players try GW2 and are all 'holy fuck I was wroooong! the memes... they were lies... help!' and are good natured about it.
But a key thing that has happened in the past two years is that the die hards who hate all other games have finally started to move and move their guilds. And the reason why is rough, and is often talked around instead of talked about. They didn't leave because of China or Hong Kong or Blizzard fighting unionization or anything that lead to actual protests outside the company or dev walkouts. At the end of the day, that's just capitalism and can be rationalized away. No, the deep cracks are because of the
fresh hell
.a female dev committing suicide after her nudes were passed around the office.
Listen, if something like that had happened at Arenanet I'd be fucking devastated. I've avoided talking about it because I doubt anyone who has an emotional investment in WoW wants to hear from people who play other MMOs. I don't want to say anything to upset people having a hard time with this, but some of the Set In Their Ways people from WoW have basically been throwing extended tantrums and taking giant dumps over other gaming communities and I am really sick of it. I am also sick of people going 'wow guild wars 2 community is actually toxic' It's not us who fucking chased Sneb off of the internet. We can check the accounts of the people who lead the charge and started literally slandering him because he tried to help. But the whiny little WoW refugee shitlords didn't want help, they wanted the game to pat them on the head and call them a good gamer way too powerful for tiny GW2.
And since I am shouting, please don't make any comments about difficulty in gaming unless you actually know what you are talking about. GW2 has easy mode raids. They don't want that. They want to rolfstomp challenge mode while drunk and feel validated that WoW players >>>>>> everyone else. Also, their biggest tantrums? Over fucking open world content! Literally all you need to do is join a Hardstuck (or LaLa or Skein Gang or like a bunch of others. Like Frog, MFing Frog y'all, just follow a Frog meta train and get everything with boosts to luck as a side dish. They teach the encounters and put down guild-made luck items that means everyone gets moar loots) run with them if you are having problems. But established GW2 guilds have the cooties I guess and they wouldn't do that.
Also I love GW2, it's community and certain actual devs. But I don't love Arenanet. They are a company with a parent company. I don't make loving a company or a brand my personality. I love the content, the people who made it, the people who make fan content, the people who basically host moderated chat for GW2 fans by having twitch streams... but there is a difference between that and loyalty to a brand or a company. learn the MFing difference people
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